We’re not just talking….

To my good friends–

During evening news at an OST last night, one man said something to the effect of, “We’re not just talking, we’re… discussing!” Yeah, I know what he means.

What I take him to be saying is we are actually about the planning in earnest, the taking of first steps of action. It is the difference between theory and the birthing of practice. This looks entirely different.

:- Doug.

Published in: Conversations | on September 26th, 2005 | 2 Comments »

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  1. On September 26, 2005 at 1:57 pm christy Said:

    hello doug,

    thank you for all of the wonderful little gems you sprinkle onto the OSList! including this one.

    i’m wondering whether there is such a thing as “just” talking–i think i understand what your friend was saying, that the conversation he experienced went deeper, and touched in, as you said, to the first action steps–but at the same time i think that even conversation that’s not overtly related to action–“idle conversation”–can be making something, doing something, worth appreciating. laying foundations, strengthening connections, shifting perspectives, etc.

    of course, sometimes conversation serves only to reinforce our preconceptions, to mutually support our staying stuck–maybe that’s a kind of “just” talking?


  2. On September 27, 2005 at 10:35 am doug Said:


    You are right of course: at least every time we talk with another we have the opportunity of connecting, of making an I-Thou connection out of what is often I-It.

    Think of a dinner party with 6 or 8 people. The conversation jumps from this recipe to someone’s vacation trip to a story about a similar experience to someone having an operation to a joke this one heard today, to how do I get my computer to do X? Nothing much going on, or is there? We are probably in an emotional conversation then, affirming that each other’s emotions are what ours would be in similar settings.

    We are opening ourselves up to the possibility of conversation on the level of being to being, truth to truth. We must, to make good on the opportunity, do what?

    I would suggest as candidates being vulnerable, showing some part of ourselves we usually keep hidden, daring to take the conversation to some place higher. In short, inviting touch, intimacy.

    :- Doug.

    PS: Christy, this seems to me to relate to your post, ” sacred advertisements and dionysian manifestos”.


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